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Walter

I think you left out a step, where the Avamar client checks a local cache to see if new fingerprints match those of segments that have previously been backed up from that particular host, which further reduces the amount of network traffic. (That's my understanding anyway.)

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Walter: true. I think it was implied, but I am posting your comment here just to clarify things. Thanks for the comment--Scott.

Frank

How do you properly size a new grid and make sure it does not fill up with data?

We are using a 3rd party hosted Avamar solution and it works really well. Is it best to start with a smaller grid and add to it as necessary? We have a large mix of Networker tape backups and outsourced Avamar.

Scott Waterhouse


Frank;

Sizing can be a bit of an art. EMC has a tool that can accurately size an environment, and I would advise you try to get your Avamar provider or EMC to use it for your environment. To size accurate you need to account for commonality across platforms, change rate, retention times, amount of source data, and so on.

You can get an estimate by using a dedup calculator (like the one I link too) but that doesnt take into account commonality across Avamar clients, and doesnt size for a grid... The sizing tool really is the best way.

Assuming it is not grossly more than you require, I usually recommend starting with a DS5 or DS6 (5 or 6 node grid) as upgrades from those configurations follow an easier, less disruptive path than upgrades from single/dual node configurations.

Frank

Scott,

Thanks for your reply. We went through a mini sizing exercise way back in January while we were going through a POC with our Avamar service provider.
We have multiple locations and datacenters.
The interest in tapeless backup (and restore)has exploded in our company as a result. I have 10 locations across the globe using Avamar now.

We were pricing out a 13.3TB Avamar grid thinking that this would be large enough for today and leave us room for future growth.

Should we revisit the EMC sizing tool? I would say - yes.

I know it's the right thing for our company but it's difficult to understand and explain how all the moving parts work.

What is your stance on large databases - SQL, Domino, etc. I have so many questions:).

Sizing sure is an art!!!

Scott Waterhouse


I would definitely advise going through a new sizing exercise. Bear in mind that the new Avamar nodes are of a different physical size, and you want to work with your sizer to ensure they are sizing based on the older 2 TB nodes.

As far as databases go, it depends on what you consider large! ;)

Generically, anything under 1 TB or so is fine (with a possible exception of Domino servers which seem to generate exceptionally high change rates). Anything between 1-2 TB should be carefully considered. What is the change rate? What is the tolerance of the host to a backup process? Can you run a proxy server? Is it a VM or a physical system? Anything above 2 TB may be OK, but would almost certainly require a proxy. Another huge generalization: you are probably only going to do this if this is the last thing you have that you want to put on Avamar--i.e. doing this means you can turn off your traditional backup.

You said you had NetWorker, so your other strategy might be to run NW + Data Domain systems for databases and high change rate large size datasets, and Avamar for the remainder (remote, smaller, VMware, etc.).

If you have other questions just post them up, and if they seem common to me I will address them in a separate post.

Fiaria

Actually, they are not large - it is the daily change rate of the database. So right now, this is expensive using the 3rd party provider since they charge us for daily changes.

Database size - 120GB
Daily change rate - 50 to 60 GB

The Domino server in question is physical that will be converted to a VM in the new year.

This is a great blog, btw.

Do you provide contact information? I can certainly send you mine.

Scott Waterhouse


You can find me at scott dot waterhouse at gmail dot com or at my linkedin profile: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/sjwaterhouse  Send me a note at gmail if you want my EMC address (or you can figure it out easily if you know our standard format of first name underscore last name at emc dot com).

With that kind of change rate your options are limited, unfortunately. It would be interesting to explore hosting a DD box at your DR provider site to see if that would be any less expensive.

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